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mavahntooth · 02-03-2006, 08:19 PM

d namn siguro impossible. malay mo totoo yung filipino inventor na un. syempre ayaw pa ibulgar ang formula hanggat nde nya papakinabangan. IMO hehe

TheGeneral · 02-03-2006, 09:38 PM

With all due respect to sir juan, I don't think its impossible. The assumption that water fuel cell violates thermodynamic laws stems from the fact that standard electrolysis consumes more energy than it generates (in the form of combustible hydrogen). If someone were to invent a more efficient electrolysis process, or one that uses a free energy source like solar, then fuel cells might be viable.

However, I don't buy the idea that the government is suppressing the technology. If it were really viable, many others would have come up with similar solutions by now, given all the publicity. I know scientists who would kill for a chance to come up with something so useful. Sadly, fuel cell "technology" has been presented by many inventors in different countries, and none of them have been able to prove their claims to a neutral scientific body. Kung media lang ang kausap nila, madali silang paikutin. Magic tricks lang, in other words.

mavahntooth · 02-04-2006, 02:30 PM

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....

pwedeng pakitranslate?

YowR33 · 02-04-2006, 02:43 PM

Mukhang masyadong scientific terms ang gamit ah.

Layman's term lang po tayo...

-juan- · 02-04-2006, 03:24 PM

Pagbigyan na ninyo si "sir" General. Anyway, mukhang may point siya.

Eto, i-try ko translate: Sa physics knowledge natin ngayon, impossible ang water as fuel kasi mas madami pa siyang ginagamit na kuryente kesa na-pro-produce. Kung sa negosyo, lugi ang negosyante - mas malaki ang puhunan niya kesa benta. Ang kailangan ay maka-imbento ng proceso na hindi lugi, na hanggang ngayon ay wala pang nakaka-diskubre.

YowR33 · 02-04-2006, 03:55 PM

Ayun... salamat po..

Teka maiba lang me.... Pano pala yung coco bio diesel ba yun?
Bakit di na lang yun ang gamitin? Total karamihan diesel ang gamit dito. Para at least makatulong sa mga Jeepney
FX at bus na pumapasada at sa iba pang pinoy
Di ba?

TheGeneral · 02-04-2006, 07:14 PM

If I'm not mistaken, coco diesel is expensive to produce. Ngayon lang ito naiisip muli dahil sa patuloy na pagtaas ng presyo ng gas.

Can coco diesel run on standard diesel engines, o kailangan pa ba ng modification?

tinapa29 · 02-06-2006, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by weblord

siyempre eh di nawala incomes sources ng govt ahem este delihensiya sa mga oil companies, kaw talaga matagal mo na kakilala si arroyo di mo pa rin kabisado mga galaw nya hehehehe

sad to say buy yes that is true

YowR33 · 02-06-2006, 09:38 PM

Sa Net 25 dati may napanood ako na alternative fuel na gamit ng European eh
used cooking oil

Sana ganun na lang ang gawin sa atin.....

Di ba?

basoone · 02-07-2006, 04:34 AM

Masyado kasi malaki bigay na tax ng mga oil company kasama na dyan Minola hehehe. Yung sa naka imbento na pinoy ng water as alternative sa fuel pagakakaalala ko na invite sya ng nissan sa japan to present his invention pero d ko lang alam kung ano nangyari. Napanood ko dati sabi nung representative ng government hindi daw praktikal kasi pag water ginamit sa makina kakalawangin at mas mabilis masira.

Kung ako sa kanila mag breed nalang sila ng maraming kalabaw or kabayo yun nalang gamitin na transpo. Kaso lang sigurado puro tae sa edsa

- Why not use yung mga dumi ng hayop to be a gasoline. What I mean is to extract the methane and then tapos may alternative gasoline na tau. May makikita ka nalang bigla sa Petron naka sulat sa karatula

"BUMUBILI NG TAE"
P5.00/kilo[font=Arial]

02-03-2006, 08:19 PM	#11 (permalink)
mavahntooth Senior Member Lambing Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: qc Posts: 218 Noypiso: 212.00 ++	d namn siguro impossible. malay mo totoo yung filipino inventor na un. syempre ayaw pa ibulgar ang formula hanggat nde nya papakinabangan. IMO hehe __________________ Send Flower to Philippines[/highlight] this Valentines Day. Mighty Directory[/highlight]

02-03-2006, 09:38 PM	#12 (permalink)
TheGeneral Member Espesyal Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Camp Aguinaldo Posts: 40 Noypiso: 200.00 ++	With all due respect to sir juan, I don't think its impossible. The assumption that water fuel cell violates thermodynamic laws stems from the fact that standard electrolysis consumes more energy than it generates (in the form of combustible hydrogen). If someone were to invent a more efficient electrolysis process, or one that uses a free energy source like solar, then fuel cells might be viable. However, I don't buy the idea that the government is suppressing the technology. If it were really viable, many others would have come up with similar solutions by now, given all the publicity. I know scientists who would kill for a chance to come up with something so useful. Sadly, fuel cell "technology" has been presented by many inventors in different countries, and none of them have been able to prove their claims to a neutral scientific body. Kung media lang ang kausap nila, madali silang paikutin. Magic tricks lang, in other words. __________________ Life is too short for parliamentary debate.

02-04-2006, 03:24 PM	#15 (permalink)
-juan- Administrator Nginig Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Antipolo City Posts: 660 Noypiso: 1697.00 ++	Pagbigyan na ninyo si "sir" General. Anyway, mukhang may point siya. Eto, i-try ko translate: Sa physics knowledge natin ngayon, impossible ang water as fuel kasi mas madami pa siyang ginagamit na kuryente kesa na-pro-produce. Kung sa negosyo, lugi ang negosyante - mas malaki ang puhunan niya kesa benta. Ang kailangan ay maka-imbento ng proceso na hindi lugi, na hanggang ngayon ay wala pang nakaka-diskubre. __________________ Make no little plans; they have no magic to stir men's blood and probably themselves will not be realized. -Daniel Hudson Burnham

02-04-2006, 03:55 PM	#16 (permalink)
YowR33 Senior Member Lambing Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 142 Noypiso: 215.00 ++	Ayun... salamat po.. Teka maiba lang me.... Pano pala yung coco bio diesel ba yun? Bakit di na lang yun ang gamitin? Total karamihan diesel ang gamit dito. Para at least makatulong sa mga Jeepney FX at bus na pumapasada at sa iba pang pinoy Di ba? __________________ YOW R33 Motor Pool Blog Garage

02-04-2006, 07:14 PM	#17 (permalink)
TheGeneral Member Espesyal Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Camp Aguinaldo Posts: 40 Noypiso: 200.00 ++	If I'm not mistaken, coco diesel is expensive to produce. Ngayon lang ito naiisip muli dahil sa patuloy na pagtaas ng presyo ng gas. Can coco diesel run on standard diesel engines, o kailangan pa ba ng modification? __________________ Life is too short for parliamentary debate.

02-04-2006, 02:30 PM	#13 (permalink)
mavahntooth Senior Member Lambing Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: qc Posts: 218 Noypiso: 212.00 ++	ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... pwedeng pakitranslate?

02-04-2006, 02:43 PM	#14 (permalink)
YowR33 Senior Member Lambing Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 142 Noypiso: 215.00 ++	Mukhang masyadong scientific terms ang gamit ah. Layman's term lang po tayo...

02-06-2006, 09:38 PM	#19 (permalink)
YowR33 Senior Member Lambing Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 142 Noypiso: 215.00 ++	Sa Net 25 dati may napanood ako na alternative fuel na gamit ng European eh used cooking oil Sana ganun na lang ang gawin sa atin..... Di ba? __________________ YOW R33 Motor Pool Blog Garage

02-07-2006, 04:34 AM	#20 (permalink)
basoone Senior Member Lambing Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: QC Posts: 130 Noypiso: 201.00 ++	Masyado kasi malaki bigay na tax ng mga oil company kasama na dyan Minola hehehe. Yung sa naka imbento na pinoy ng water as alternative sa fuel pagakakaalala ko na invite sya ng nissan sa japan to present his invention pero d ko lang alam kung ano nangyari. Napanood ko dati sabi nung representative ng government hindi daw praktikal kasi pag water ginamit sa makina kakalawangin at mas mabilis masira. Kung ako sa kanila mag breed nalang sila ng maraming kalabaw or kabayo yun nalang gamitin na transpo. Kaso lang sigurado puro tae sa edsa - Why not use yung mga dumi ng hayop to be a gasoline. What I mean is to extract the methane and then tapos may alternative gasoline na tau. May makikita ka nalang bigla sa Petron naka sulat sa karatula "BUMUBILI NG TAE" P5.00/kilo[font=Arial] __________________ Maverick DVD \|Airwolf DVD \| The Superman Blog

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